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EHILL



Joined: 30 Jun 2006
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Location: Templeton,Ma.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Attention New England vet needs HELP Reply with quote

New k9 patient from AZ has been tested negative titers 3x while in AZHistory of wt loss lethargic acute vomitig stiff gingivitis mild increase WBC after reviewing her 40+ page history of chrnic lameness atopy UTI's 1 episode of fever hypothyroidism 7 yr tx with soloxine pododermatitis ....after reading this web site for 2 hours Im truly thinking she could have VF even though she had neg titers Owners also said SHE HAS HAD A MILD COUGH SHE is so sweet i need some advice on what other tests I can run This disease is hard to diagnose ???
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grannydi



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Location: Fountain hills, AZ

PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a vet here, but just a mom with a VF furkid. I'm glad this furkid has a vet willing to look for answers.

It's not uncommon for a dog to have VF with negative titers. My little guy went through a year of treatment before he finally developed a titer of 1:2. Has he had exrays? If the dog is coughing, you might see changes in the lungs or nodes that would indicate fungus. You might also see a lesion on the affected limb.

I had my little guy seen at ARECA, (specialty clinic in Mesa, AZ) by the internal medicine specialist. She told me that VF is sometimes so elusive she never can find it. With a strong suspicion of VF, she treats anyway and watches carefully for a response. She told me that there is less danger in treating unnecessarily, than not treating on the chance that VF is present.

My best suggestion, though, is for you to contact Dr. Lisa Shubitz at the VFCE in Tucson. She is the vet there that is in charge of their animal research program for VF. She would probably be the one that could give you the best answers. Her email address is lfshubit@u.arizona.edu . She is usually pretty prompt in answering emails.

Good luck. I hope you find answers for this little guy.

Diana
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Sheila



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Location: Reno, NV

PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a vet either, but I have 2 furkids with vf, I have vf, and I know of 2 furkids we lost due to vf. One was lost because of a lack of dx. Yes, hard to dx, lots of negative titers. Please follow Diana's advice and contact Dr. Shubitz. This is your best starting place.

Have you xrayed the lame legs? Found any little dots on the xray? These could be vf. How about the lungs? Any cloudiness there? It's very typical for the thyroid to be affected also, not necessarily a true hypothyroid. One of my dogs has a fluctuating thyroid. We have chosen not to medicate and I give her some herbals for it, seems to have helped or it just gets better as she gets better. Gingivitis is common as are skin lesions.

Might be prudent to begin medication with fluconazole. We had elevated WBC also, very high. Never treated with antibiotics as they are contra-indicated as they will weaken the immune system. These also went down as they got better.

I hope you can contact Dr Shubitz. Yes, a very elusive condition. Also deadly. Thank you for being the type of vet I would trust.
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grannydi



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiela,

Thanks for the backup. As I was responding to this vet's post, I knew the right thing to say, but at the same time, thinking to myself, "Gak! Who am I to give advice to a VET?"

I would like to add to my earlier post that in any dog that has passed through Arizona, and "ain't doin' right", with vague symptoms and not responding to normal treatment protocols, Valley Fever should be strongly considered as the cause.

Six years ago, I came very, very close to losing my little guy. He was tested and treated for everything but the kitchen sink. He never had a positive response to anything he was tested for, including Valley Fever, but he also never really had a decent response to the massive antibiotics that were pumped into him either. It took a very astute vet to decide to treat him for Valley Fever anyway, and that vet saved his life.

Now here we are six years later, with a suspicion of a relapse but no definite proof in the titer, and are treating him again because I'd rather be safe than sorry.

I sure hope Dr. Shubitz can give this vet the guidance he needs.

Diana
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Sheila



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You and I Diana, and most everyone on this board, are probably more qualified to give advice re: vf than most physicians and vets. A good vet (or doc) is one that will listen and learn from the patient.

I will not use a vet for vf who thinks they know all about it. No-one knows all about it. An admission of ignorance will win my confidence, as Dr Hill, seeking answers from us. Included in the histories of my 2 beagles are all of my own alternative protocols, doses, bloodwork results and xray results. We all are learning together.

Good luck to you Dr Hill. I hope you will post on your success with Dr Shubitz and let us know the protocols you have chosen. And the results. Perhaps we can offer suggestions to help the patient also, especially if she goes through the not wanting to eat phase. Most of us have been through that, and the meds can be troublesome for a while also. If you would like to chat with my vets please let me know. I'm sure they would be happy to share.
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Sheila



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the link to the VF Center of Excellence. On the site are links about people, dogs, research, physician info. Perhaps this will help.

http://www.vfce.arizona.edu
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EHILL



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Grannydi and Sheila,

I knew this site was special and I'm very thankful for your input. I'm off to the links you mentioned esp. Dr. Shubitz also thanks for the encouragement. I can't get this four legged sweetheart out of my mind Surprised . I have more questions for her parents and a whole new insight about VF. I'll be back with an update Monday night. Happy 4th to you lovely ladies.
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grannydi



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need for thanks, Doc. Your dedication to that sweet little baby is thanks enough for me. And please do come back and update us.

Diana
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